I heard about this years ago,I didn't know these ASSHOLES where still at it.Just shows you how some people have NO value of life.

How do I send you my return copy?

SpaceGoat same RS account,mail-me !!!

To early in the morn for me to watch the vid, but i could imagine. First of all, what profit do they get for doing this?? Do they eat seal meat?? or do they just kill for the skin? In either way, it's damn shameful to thrive on such activity. I wish i had my own Militia boat so then i could blast their arse out of the water. Who can stop them?? US??. Nice post SG.

I am very pleased to send this message to our governement.

I do not subscribe, however, to the concept of ZERO pity for humans who, by the way, are just another animal species. Maybe, you should modify that to say little or no empathy/sympathy for or with those who kill or maim for greed or pleasure.

SOS - Save Our Seals...DAMN! All Those People who slaughter seals!

civilized world my ass!

*spit*

Proud supporter of [ link ] and their no nonsense approach to get the job done.

I respect your enthusiasm for this great cause, but I fail to see how baby seals in Canada (though very cute) can be more important than the >1billion people starving in third world countries. I think we need to sort out the slightly more deadly issues like famine, aids, cancer etc. before dealing with the seal hunters.

I'm not saying that the seals deserve to die - what these hutners are doing is horrific - but there ARE slightly more pressing issues to tackle first.

Oh for God,s sake people. Wake up. Canada has passed a law that is 20 years-old and that forbids the hunt of baby seal. That's one.

Two: All those cute posters of baby seals are used to bring in money. Check it out. The groups that are usingm have a cashflow that is incredible. It's a business.

Three: I saw a video of one of those groups. We can see a wounded and dying seal int he background flopping. Did they put it out of it,s misery? No.. They filmed with the speaker in front of the cam and the wounded seal in the background for effects.

Now don't get me wrong. I am all for protecting animals and nature. BUT when people do not check ALL the facts, well....

It's up to yo to judge but think further than what you see or hear...

Gerry

The people who hunt seals are poor...there is not much income or job opportunity on Newfoundland and Labrador.It is work for these people who want to feed their kids....every year people hunt animals...Is it because the seals are cute looking? Deer are cute..some cows are very good looking..I don't get what the fuss is about...Its hunting.

Djago1, a lot of the people in the third world are fighting each other for no other reason than because they can. They therefore bring a lot of problems on them selves. Despite this, the third world human population isn't likely to become extinct any time soon.

Some animal populations, however, are in danger because a lot of humans put themselves and profit before the rights and dignity of animals. One day the disappearance of many animal species will result in the extinction of the human race.

I would like to be out there on the ice with a crowbar smashing in the sculls of the hunters and dragging them across the ice with a hook stuck in them whilst they are still alive. That is one job I would do free of charge.

I have ZERO pity for humans. We deserve what we get!

I'm with you on that one, humans are no more or less than animals.

Cruel killing machines, humans kill just for fun and sport.

Humans are pathetic, that includes me but at least I can admit it.

SpaceGoat you are the best, take care my friend.

Done, and glad to help.

I saw on the news in the UK a couple of days ago that 2 of the cullers (killers) died when their boat overturned, it may sound harsh but it's no great loss.

Sad but there will be 2 more to take their place no doubt.

Djago1 I agree with you.

We have all these comments about saving the seal and how barbaric it is to kill them. I wonder how many of these people would whatch news articles about genocide and famine and wars and not give a shit about it. They just sit there drinking there beers and getting fatter.

For those of you who are complaining about this. When you get the fuck off your fat asses and do something about the more important issues then maybe your comments would be valid.

You cannot compare the famine in some countries with the slaughter of defenceless seals. I don’t think is a matter of priority here; like a cause is worth more than another therefore we should ignore the less one. All causes are worth in their right.

There are so many wrongs going on all over our lovely planet one doesn’t know where to start: poverty, famine, sheer abuse, me not getting laid (ok maybe not that one… still) - the list is insanely long. Two wrongs don’t make a right imo.

I worked in a slaughterhouse for two days and the experience cannot be described in words; you need to physically witness to understand what is like. Have you ever seen a cow one minute mooing, the next hanging cut in half? The experience changed my prospective on live animals forever. The son-of-bitches at the employment agency asked me, “do you have problem working with meat?” and I replied “why, off course not”. It’s been over ten years since, and I still cannot buy steaks; I eat anything else though but not steak, before I would buy big thick steaks without a second thought. It was a good experience though, one that every meet eater should do. Fact is the majority of people haven’t got a clue, that’s why we need posts like this to make others aware of what is happening.

@nogindrill

I work for a living and haven’t got the time or means to go to the North Pole to shoot them fuckers down… though I’d like to. What I can do is send an email to the Canadian minister, for what is worth, but if you’ve got other suggestions Im all for it.

Bye now, Im off to KFC

It's strange to see some posts disappear just cause they don't agree with the Goat.....

I guess that's one way to win an argument... rig the results... tsk tsk

Erasing negative comments because you can't handle the truth...

Looks like we are dealing with children...... thats as Lame as it gets....!!!!

To astra12

You must be a pretty cold hearted person to make a comment like:

"I saw on the news in the UK a couple of days ago that 2 of the cullers (killers) died when their boat overturned, it may sound harsh but it's no great loss."

I hope any friends and family that you have don't come to you for sympathy when someone you and or them knows, dies. Or maybe yet when you die that they would have the same attitude.

Your contempt for humans makes you just like those humans you despise....

The hate in your heart is obvious and no seal loving smoke screen can hide that... you need help Goat...!!!

@ the guy defending the clubbing of the baby seals please repost your comments.

Sorry, I came home in a bad mood and deleted them.

I did not realize we club cows in the slaughter houses and skin them while they were still alive. I think also they need to clean up more and not let blood get on the floors.

Please repost them. You have every right to defend the clubbing of baby seals.

What better of example of Humanities concern can there be?

Thank You SG

Goat you are soooo misinformed......

Sadly not all humans have control over their own fate and many are abused whole sale....

First you say humans are assholes then you say we should be more humane. Make up your mind....

It seems you can't even understand your own arguments.

How do you expect others to listen to that kind of LAMEness...? C'mon

Goat think before you talk. And don't be such a cowered.... Erasing negative comments just shows your cheating attitude.. Nobody wants to follow a cheat..... If you want people to get on board you have to be honest and use facts not emotion... And cheating just don't help Goat........

you totally don't get it Goat.... i will say it once I do NOT defend the seal hunt nor do I promote it.... I try to understand it. AS there are far worse things going on in this world I try to put it in perspective.... I know much of the bad that happens in this world is human created but Unlike you I have NOT given up on the goodness of the human race. I strive to find balance between the good and bad.... And promote the good as much as possible....

If you really want to be honest then undelete my post yourself and restore it..... That would be an honest thing to do, agree to disagree solution.....

I do want to thank you for admitting it was wrong to erase my contrary post.....:)

Finally I like you to know I am as distressed about the state of the planet as much as you are..... so we agree on that much... Only my approach to it is different. I learned a long time ago to keep emotions in check and use logic and facts as my weapon. In the case of the seal hunt... It's as UGLY as any killing done. But in numbers it is minuscule in comparison to far greater problems... Like I said if you're really concerned you REALLY SHOULD consider vegetarianism and actually make a difference not just complain about others actions and then chow down on a cows muscle just because you can't find compassion in your heart for a cow the way you do for a cute seal.... but i do agree with you Goat if you say "we need to end ALL wars", "We need to clean up the environment" "We need to share the riches of this world equally with everyone" and "We need to be responsible in regards to over population". We do this and we will have a brighter future for our planet. oh and yes animals all animals deserve compassion...!!!!!

The only good canadian is a very dead canadian.

they should be butchered the same way.

Palko, in your second to last comment you said that you promote the good as much as possible....

If that's true, I wonder what a little angel like you is doing downloading pirate software because you sure as hell aint here to make friends.

And in your last comment you started it by saying "Finally".

I'm sure hoping that's a promise!

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Seal Hunt Regulation & Quota History

1895 Protections for seals of breeding age and vessels restricted to one trip to the hunting grounds.

1961 Hunt closing date of May 5th was introduced.

1964 - 1965 Protection of adult seals in breeding patches, a catch limit of 50 000 seals in the Gulf of St. Lawrence to stop Norwegian sealing in this area. A ban is placed on hooded seal-hunting in the Gulf of St. Lawrence due to the low numbers in the area. In-port inspections introduced. Fisheries officers accompany vessels greater than 65 feet. Mandatory for all hunters to be licensed.

1966 Females protected on whelping/birthing patches.

1968 Opening dates are regulated and the closing date set to April 25th, greatly decreasing the length of the season. Ban on the use of aircraft.

1971 First quota set to 245,000. Vessels greater than 35 feet must be licensed.

1972 Quota set to 150,000. Ship based sealing banned in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Regulations on size and weight requirements for clubs and hakapiks ensures that the animal is killed in a swift, humane fashion.

1972 - 1975 Quota remains at 150,000. First quotas for hooded seals.

1976 Quota set to 127,000.

1977 Quota set to 160,000. Observers of the hunt must acquire a permit to do so.

1978 - 1981 Quota set to 180,000.

1986 The Malouf Commission Report is released which establishes future policy on the management of the hunt.

1987 Large vessels are banned and harvesting of seal pups, whitecoats, and bluebacks is also banned.

1993 The Marine Mammal Regulations are adopted.

1995 Quota set to 250,000.

1997 - 2002 Quota set to 275,000.

2003 - 2004 Quota set to 350,000. Blinking eye reflex test becomes mandatory.

2005 Quota set to 275,000.

2006 Quota set to 325,000.

2007 Quota set to 270,000. New regulatons stemming from reccomendations of the 2005 Independent Veterinarians Working Group(IVWG) report (PDF).

2008 Quota set to 275,000. New regulatons stemming from reccomendations of the 2005 Independent Veterinarians Working Group(IVWG) report (PDF).

Skinning Alive

This is one of the most ridiculous and nefarious of the many outrageous statements made by the animal rights movement and, sadly, one that the media “buys into’ without ever researching the myriad of reputable international and domestic studies that show that sealing is simply an outdoor abattoir. An abattoir like any licensed abattoirs throughout western society where the killing is conducted in a proper and humane fashion.

Animal rights fanatics recognize two important facts when propagating this slander. First: the majority of urban people have never seen their food or clothing killed and are repulsed by the optics of killing: all killing not just seals. Second: dead seals continue to wiggle and move in much the same way that a chicken with its head cut off continues to run about. Third: video/images can in and of itself portray things as they are NOT and when coupled with carefully chosen narration can reinforce any message the producer wishes to convey: moving or still pictures do not lie is one of the great fallacies and this has been known by propagandists since the 19th century.

The movements many animals make when dead are simply reflex actions and do not indicate that the animal is alive.

As any abattoir worker or hunter will explain to you, based upon experience, that skinning an animal is difficult enough when they are dead and near impossible to do when they are alive. Additionally, common sense tells you that when the value of the pelt depends on the quality (straight cuts improve the value) it makes no sense to ruin a pelt by trying to skin the animal alive. Unless, of course, you accept the animal rights fanatic’s contention that sealers are some kind of barbarian sub-humans and not your neighbours who live in the villages and towns strung along shores of the North Atlantic Ocean, the Bearing and Arctic Seas. And the same condemnation applies to your neighbours who work in abattoirs, hunt or slaughter animals on farms throughout Canada, the USA and Europe. Not to mention those hired by the governments of the above-mentioned societies to kill animals determined to be pests by urban dwellers.

Study after study by reputable, international veterinarians have shown time after time that skinning alive is a lie perpetrated by so called independent studies conducted, paid for and written by the staff members of animal rights groups and never peer group reviewed for methodology or accuracy.

What looks ugly is not wrong. If ugly is portrayed as wrong and pretty is portrayed as right there is a large segment of the world’s human population which needs to seek cover. Ugly and pretty have no moral value, they are simply in the eye of the beholder.

The People

Sealers are rural peoples residing in coastal villages throughout the eastern, northern and northwestern coasts of Canada, Greenland, Norway, Russia, Namibia and similar environments throughout the world. Sealing is also an integral part of the life of Inuit and Innu people throughout the North.

Sealing is a worldwide activity undertaken by rural villagers wherever seal populations are healthy enough to allow a harvest of animals under the principle of the sustainable use of a natural, renewable resource.

Canadian sealers, Canadian marine mammal biologists and the Canadian Government are world leaders in the field of resource utilization using scientific management principles combined with an educated workforce and a strict monitoring protocol to ensure the continued viability of sealing from both the economic and species perspectives. Canada is a world leader in the sustainable use of natural, renewable resources.

In addition to sealers, biologists, enforcement officers and bureaucrats the sealing industry employs men and women in the tanning and processing sector, the manufacturing sector, the design sector, the research sector and the marketing sector. There is a high “spin-off” employment ratio from the sealer to the end product in this industry.

The primary producers, sealers, receive 40% to 60% of the value of tanned pelts. This figure compares more than favourably to the amount received by farmers, fishermen, loggers and so on in their respective industries.

Harp Seal Population

The population of Harp Seals in Canadian waters is well over 5 million animals and over the last number of decades has more than doubled while at the same time sealers have taken their scientifically determined quotas. This is the epitome of the sustainable use of a natural renewable resource: the very definition of Green as defined by responsible conservation organizations worldwide.

A management philosophy of strict, scientifically based, quotas has seen the Harp Seal population more than double over the last four decades. Continuous scientific monitoring ensures that harvesting and heard size remain in balance.

During that same period, Canadian sealers have consistently taken their assigned quotas, while maintaining a healthy population.

The Canadian Harp Seal population is not now, nor ever has been, listed on any reputable international list of either endangered or threatened species. It is one of the most abundant marine mammal populations in the world’s oceans. Conservation is not an issue.

The annual quotas may vary from time to time to reflect the changing population structure of the herd but these changes are always made within the framework of the scientific advice and err on the side of conservation.

Open Air Abattoir

The death of any living creature is a sensitive issue to all people, be they those who do the killing or those who use the resulting foods and other products. It is a fact that urban people, who have limited exposure to the origins of the food they eat, the clothing they wear or the source of any of the other many animal based products they use in their daily lives, tend to be repulsed by any animal killing. Nor are they aware of the interaction between themselves and animals on the habitat they occupy to support their lifestyle. Man is simply one other in the chain of predators but one who recognizes the impact of his actions and monitors them to encourage the sustainable use of all natural renewable resources.

Humans rely on animals for their very existence and sealers are only one group of many in society who provide the means for urban lifestyle to exist as it does worldwide.

Sealers use both high-powered rifles and hakapiks to kill seals depending upon the situation they encounter. Both the rifle and the hakapik are humane, efficient methods of killing seals and international studies by independent, reputable veterinarians have proven this time and time again.

In essence, the Canadian seal hunt is no different than any abattoir anywhere in western society: except it is done in the open on the ice flows or open waters off the eastern and northern coasts of Canada.

No animal killing is pretty but the objective of Canadian sealers is to kill humanely: and they do. Study after study has shown that both weapons kill efficiently and humanely.

The Economics

Rural, maritime peoples are dependent on their environment for their livelihood. They utilize resources such as fish, crustaceans, mollusks, seals and other wildlife for exactly the same reason urbanites hold jobs in factories and offices – to provide income to feed and cloth their families.

Rural peoples do not earn weekly salaries but are dependent on a variety of activities to earn an annual income. Sealing is only one part of their earnings. The monies earned from sealing may range from hundreds to thousands of dollars – depending upon markets and environmental conditions - and combined with fishing, farming and other activities enables them to maintain the life force of coastal villages.

It is the total earnings from all their economic activities – including sealing – that enables rural peoples to survive. Rural life is much like a mosaic composed of small stones. Remove one stone and the beautiful mosaic crumbles as the cohesion of all the stones holding the mosaic together. This is the reality of economic life in rural communities.

Sustainable Use

Sustainable use of a natural, renewable resource is the internationally accepted principle of man’s use of animals for food, clothing and income in a manner that ensures the continued existence of healthy, stable (or growing) population levels of the species being utilized.

The concept is rooted in scientific management principles to determine appropriate usage levels given the biology, natural mortality and environment of the species. These factors are used to set conservationally sound, conservative quotas, which are monitored and modified on an on-going basis.

The Harp seal population of the northwestern Atlantic is a prime example of the sustainable use principle, as the population has tripled under this management regime to the present level of approximately 5.9 million animals.

Man’s presence in the eco-system requires a “green” approach to the use of animals. The principle of the sustainable use of a natural, renewable resource meets this requirement ecologically, conservationally and morally. The Canadian seal hunt is one of the world’s best examples of a “green” approach to the use of a natural, renewable resource: seals.

Harp Seal Usage

The primary objective of sealers is to earn income through sales or “in kind” through direct usage of the products available from the seals they kill.

Seals provide four products: fur, leather, fat (rendered for Omega3 medicinal oil) and meat. The bulk of the meat is located in the “flippers”, which the sealers take leaving the mostly meatless carcasses on the ice to return to the eco-system, as the ice melts the carcasses slip back into the ocean and provide food for other species. This eliminates the need to dispose of offal in landfills, a serious problem for land-based abattoirs: a green practice.

By body weight, the use of seal based products compares favourably with the use of products from other animals killed by man. It is not always possible to utilize all of the carcass and in these cases the remains are left on the ice to return to the eco-system as food for fish and crustaceans. What at first glance appears to be wastage is in fact a “green” solution to problem of offal disposal faced by abattoirs worldwide.

Feel free to delete anything you don't agree with. At least My information is based on evidence and facts.

WoW! passionate, confused, grossly misinformed Cannon Fodder targets everywhere! :O

I was going to lurk and leech in April and stfu, but geez, this post is just way too good to pass up, gasp! so many easy pickins, who to get started on first? :?

lol, too many choices, just like a Vista fresh install selection box :D

keep it warm and real, folks,

I'll be back later for Le Grande Assaulte, get a new server ready for me to fill up ;)

What a bunch of low life biaches (SPITS a thick nasal mucus), capitilising on Spacegoats previous corrected error in judgement, for which he apologised for up front. SHAME! :@

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@SpaceGoat, don't delete anything! I need ALL their comments intact for what's coming! :O

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(btw SG, this one is going to cost you an extra fifty man, it's hard work doing multiple peeps)

:D

I just want to Thank everyone for their help.

The Rs.com account has been given away.

Till next time...SG

But my refrigerator needs New "Seals" on the door & my car needs new door "Seals" as well.

Where will they come from without the slaughtering of baby Seals? They need to use the "baby seals" because they are very soft.

I suppose they could use "baby Deer" or "baby Panda" intestines as a replacement.

Thank you fourq2 for bringing some facts to the table... nice to see some real info....

The seal hunt is not about greed but about marginal people try'n to eek out a living in a harsh environment.

As i said before killing is NEVER PRETTY. Only the ignorant claim that factory farms harvesting animals of any kind are any more humane....Factory Farms now there is greed for ya. If any of these so called animal lovers were sincere they would do something positive like become vegetarians instead of just running their mouths off about things they are not capable to understand.

I see we got a few Charlie Manson wannabe's in the crowd , would like to save the seals n kill humans instead.... tsk tsk....! I can only feel sorry for you poor low life bottom dwellers because you aren't even cute n fuzzy... so you'll never be loved... lol

Goat you have some great freinds....

like this burn out: "

Posted by babylon on 04.04.2008 // 02:35

"The only good canadian is a very dead canadian.

they should be butchered the same way."

And this one from you Goat.... human hater..?!!!!

Reply from SpaceGoat on 03.04.2008 // 02:00

"The removal of the human race from the face of the earth can not happen a moment to soon!!!

Maybe there might be some thing left???

ZERO PITY!!!!

No matter what you say Goat not all humans are evil.... just maybe the ones you know...

trollwatcher..... the only reason Goat apologized and halfheartedly too is because I took him to task.... he has no correct facts so he argues out of emotion.... the posts he erased of several people are gone forever so the argument has been tilted and the damage to honesty done.

As for the haters.......you know who you are........

You are the scum of the earth and could not argue your way out of a wet paper bag..... but I defend your right to your opinion even if I can't agree. But please just go find a soother.....!!!

Very sad... True... But can't u guys find an email from the US dudes an tell em that they should stop kill ppl instead of wasting time with this?

There are so many things that we all see and never tell shit bout it and u are pickin on the Canadian ppl that had only 1 murder in the whole country for the last 10 years?

Well u should know better guys, dunno what more 2 say...

Seal hunting SUCKS. But the way they do it SUCKS even more.

Man won't be happy untill there is nothing left on this planet. We either Club them Shoot them or destroy their Habitat.The only animals that will be around in 50 years time will be Cats & Dogs & Cane Toads.



@AlexxTheGreat: Canada has only had 1 murder in the whole country for the last 10 years? Is that true?

yo Bongo, let's piss off from the Queen and Dubya endorsed Ruddsy and da Mr$ new puppet governmint downunder and do some time in "safe from rednecks" -one death per year- Canuck Land m8 !

LOL, Dudley DooRight will watch our backs, and I hear their beer makes for a good hair rinse, and ummmm actually drinkable, right? ...right?! :



...Celine and the chicks from Heart are still hot (...I think), and if we hit the internet we may score BTO playing a gig somewhere in wheel chairs singin "takin care of the business"...Dude, how good is that?! :D

Aussie bands have either turned to sh*t, sustained injuries rrom banging frozen chickens, or just overweight drugged mules with ~Deep Heat~ and deep throat issues :O

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""The only animals that will be around in 50 years time will be Cats & Dogs & Cane Toads.""

...and a "few" of us lil "persecuted" human types too, we always "survive" somehow, lil ol humble innocent us, lol :D

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Real World: as long as a bar fridge and generator is operational, servicing loads of stashed slabs of beer underground, who gives a rats case of swiss cheese flatulence what happens on Earth, and the mofos on it wakking their @$$e$!!! (scull...gulp, wipe...clunk! next tube pleez!)

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This post is really pumpin, I never realised the extent that peeps disagree, and get agro over misinformation, and force fed POVs based on media created (or slightly bent) statistics.

I'll put off my mop up royale till it hits 100 comments, at this rate I'd say mid afternoon Sunday, Wall St. time ;)

(I reckon I can chisel a C-Note out of SG by then too) :D

hey trollwatcher mate,

Yep Kevin 07 (Rudd) is another YES man just like all the rest before and the creeps who will come after him.

I tell ya',, Canadia looks more inviting every day. I am seriously thinking of migrating to Canada or Ireland (not Gilligan’s island).

I can get to Ireland OK because of my ancestors, but I don't know about Canada. I have an aunty who lives up there in Canuk land somewhere (war bride) don't know if that helps. But I am definitely going to look into it.

"AlexxTheGreat" After speaking to some Canadian friends of mine about the murder rate in Canadia they told me to tell you THAT YOU ARE FULL OF 5HIT.